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Friday fish fries, Jell-O salads, beer and brats: these are all foods that scream Wisconsin. But is there anything that defines America’s Dairyland better than a squeaky, fresh cheese curd? Travel the state from north to south or east to west, and you’re likely to find half pound bags of fresh cheese curds on the counter of every gas station and grocery store between Madison and Minocqua.

Of the state’s 129 cheese plants, at least 45 factories make and sell fresh squeaky cheese curds at least one day a week. That’s right: only in Wisconsin is it likely the average person knows on which days and at which factories they can buy fresh cheese curds right out of the vat. And perhaps nobody knows fresh curds better than Bob Wills, master cheesemaker and owner of Cedar Grove Cheese in Plain, and Clock Shadow Creamery in Milwaukee. Last week, I sat down with Bob at a picnic table outside his office at the Cedar Grove cheese plant to talk curds.

Fresh squeaky cheese curds are made and shipped out of both of Bob’s cheese plants at least four days a week. In fact, cheese curd production defines each cheese plant’s entire production schedule. Customers place orders for cheese curds, cheesemakers start making them around 10 p.m., and by 7 a.m., trucks are leaving each factory to head to stores with fresh squeaky cheese curds.

“I’ve estimated that in the summer months, we’re making around 26,000 pounds of fresh cheese curds a week,” Bob says.

Like many Wisconsin cheese factories, Cedar Grove Cheese also sells fresh curds right from the factory starting at 8 a.m., and even overnight ships cheese curds to folks experiencing a “cheese curd crisis.” People all over the country call up Bob, tell him there are no fresh curds available where they live, and Bob then overnight ships the curds to them. “It’s usually an exorbitant shipping cost, but they don’t seem to care, because they need their cheese curds,” he says.

So what exactly makes a fresh cheese curd squeak? For the answer, we turned to Pat Polowsky, author of Cheese Science Toolkit at and a graduate student studying under the direction of Dr. Paul Kindstedt and the University of Vermont. Until recently, Pat worked in Wisconsin at the Center for Dairy Research in Madison. I email him weekly, lobbying him to return. But until then, we talk on the phone. This week, I caught him right after class in Vermont.

Pat says two main things are going on in a cheese curd to make it squeak: First: calcium, which acts as the glue to hold the structure together. Second: an intact protein structure. As a cheese curd gets older, acid is produced, and some of the calcium “glue” dissipates. The structure softens, and eventually, the protein breaks down completely. The squeak disappears. The reason we can actually hear the squeak in our mouths is from the cheese protein rubbing against the enamel of our teeth. So if you have false teeth, fresh cheese curds don’t squeak.

I asked Pat about folks who don’t live in Wisconsin, and therefore don’t have daily access to fresh cheese curds. What should they do? I suggested moving to Wisconsin, but Pat was more diplomatic. He says you can buy cheese curds in a grocery store and put them in your microwave for 15 seconds on low power. If the curd isn’t more than 10 days old, you may get the squeak back. No one knows for sure why the microwave trick works, but Pat says it probably has to do with the hydrophobic effect on proteins.

So why aren’t fresh cheese curds found so prevalently in other states? It turns out it’s because most Wisconsin cheddar plants still make cheddar the old-fashioned way: by cheddaring curd.

“If we’re talking about cheese curds, we need to talk about why they’re in Wisconsin and not everywhere else,” Bob says. “It has to do with the cheddaring process, where we mat and stack and turn and flip slabs of curd, and then run them through a mill. Ironically, the cheddaring process is designed to make cheese for aging – it’s like kneading bread, you want to get the oxygen and excess water out – but then we turn around and turn it into a product that we sell instantly.”

But cheesemakers in Wisconsin don’t just make fresh cheese curds because they’re popular, they also do so because it’s a valuable source of cash flow that can finance a cellar of aged, artisan cheese.

Even though he’s making 26,000 pounds of cheese curds a week, Cedar Grove Cheese is much better known for its aged specialty cheeses and aged cheddar. With as much as $2.5 million of cheese aging to perfection, it’s the cash from the curds that allow Bob to keep paying the bills while his aged, artisan cheeses age.


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4 thoughts on “Why You Need to Move to Wisconsin — Fresh, Squeaky Cheese Curds

  1. I am LOVING this podcast!!! Every episode has been a winner. The sound production is really great and I feel like I’m in the room. Your interview style really makes the listener feel like an insider by creating a wonderful sense of intimacy and camaraderie with your subjects. Keep up the fantastic work!

  2. I love Cedar Valley’s cheese curds, and like most every other Wisconsin resident, I’ve had my fair share of curds. One of my favorite things to do in summer is take cheese road trips to different factories and stop at their gift shops. Does anyone know where I could find a website or spreadsheet or something that lists Wisconsin cheese factories, and days on which their curds are made fresh? That would be AMAZING and would help incredibly with planning of trips. Why doesn’t this exist!?!??!

    1. Creating a spreadsheet listing Wisconsin cheese factories and which days their curds are made fresh is a BRILLIANT idea. I need an intern – what a great project that would be. In my own personal head of a spreadsheet, I can tell you that Cedar Grove in Plain makes fresh curds on Mondays and Thursdays. Arena Cheese in – you guessed it – Arena makes fresh curds on Tuesdays. Carr Valley makes fresh curds Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays. Renard’s in Door County makes fresh curds on Wednesdays. Decatur Dairy in Brodhead makes curds many days but always on Wednesday.

      And, if you get to Madison, here are the days fresh curds are available at local stores — they usually don’t come in until around 11 am, because they’re made fresh that morning and trucked into town.

      Willy Street West
      6825 University Ave.
      Middleton, WI 53562
      Monday & Thursday – Cedar Grove
      Wednesday – Renard’s
      Saturday – Farmer John’s

      Willy Street Co-op
      1221 Williamson St.
      Monday & Thursday – Cedar Grove
      Wednesday – Renard’s
      Saturday – Farmer John’s

      Hy-Vee East
      Monday & Thursday – Cedar Grove

      Metcalfe’s Hilldale & West
      Monday & Thursday – Cedar Grove Cheese
      Tuesday – Arena Cheese

      Monday & Thursday – Cedar Grove

      Carr Valley Middleton
      Monday, Wednesday & Friday

      Brennan’s Market
      5533 University Ave
      Wednesday – Decatur Dairy

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